Colorist Paul Harrison: Winning Awards on both sides of the Atlantic
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Colorist Paul Harrison: Winning Awards on both sides of the Atlantic

Welcome to the Color Timer Podcast. I am your host

Vincent Taylor. This is a

podcast we speak to professionals who work with

color. Today I am gonna do my

best not to sound like Roy Kent from Ted Lasso

because I've lost my voice so

please forgive me. Today we are

speaking to Mr. Paul Harrison, a veteran

colorist based at Resident Pictures in the UK.

He's got over two decades of

experience as a colorist so I can't wait to pick

his brains. It's gonna be a

great conversation. Let's go. Take your seats

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Paul, welcome. Welcome to the Color Timer. Cool.

Nice. Thanks for having me on.

No man, absolutely. It's awesome. Now it's a big

one. This is the end of season one

so you're like the headline guest

or the ending guest. You'll have to

excuse my voice. It's barely holding

on so it's all that talking I'm doing.

Alright, oh I've got to start my timer because I

always forget. Start the game

show. Alright so you're a colourist and you have

been a colourist for a very

long time, a couple of decades. If there was a

colour, if there was a colour you

could do without, which would it be? Oh my god.

Well I won't say green because

everybody says green and I actually quite like

green. So I would say yellow.

Yellow gives me the most, it's the most

problematic colour because some

people see it as green. They see a

bit of a green in there or something and it just

gets into everything and then you

don't, the systems can't quite

see what we see when you want to try

and dial a little bit of that out. It just starts

to affect, other things get

affected. It's that yellow green

thing, that boundary is not quite

defined enough for my liking. You know what, I'm

gonna agree with that because the

biggest thing that I'm always chasing is green

grass. Because people are going

oh it's too yellow, oh it's too green, oh it's too.

Yeah yeah yeah, it's like walking that

tightrope and then obviously everyone's eyes were a

little bit kind of different

and I see it. Yeah that's how I would say that. It

might be a weird looking world but you know.

It would be interesting to see. Now I'm gonna ask

you a question that you're

probably so bloody sick of but I want to know how

did you start, how did you get

into this crazy world? Yeah it's weird. I kind of

by accident through a friend

working on like as a runner, production

runner. Yeah. And my friend's girlfriend was like,

she'd got me into it and after

I'd be on that, doing that for a little while,

ended up helping out on video,

doing the sort of video techy kind of side of

things. Yeah. And a friend of

mine, he's the boyfriend of the girlfriend, you

know, his girlfriend who got me in,

rather than using names, he said you need to come

and look what I'm doing. I'm

working in the post-production house

and I was like what the hell was the

post-production house? Yeah so went in there. How

old were you? I would have been

about 24 or 5, around about then.

about 24 or 5, around about then.

I think at that point. So I went and had a look at

what he was doing and it was all

the same equipment. I was just lugging around and

you know taking on shoots

and rigging up on shoots and using that stuff. Well

this will be a, this will be

easy. I could just sit down all day and press

buttons. I don't have to actually

carry this stuff around. So and then I started

doing a bit more digging into

post-production and found Telecine and it just

kind of, it was an article in one

of like Broadcast or one of those

magazines and it had a whole write-up

about Telecine and about grading and what it was

all about and I just looked

at this and thought my god this is amazing. You

know this is like, you know,

so I liked photography. I was always taking

photographs and this was like, my

god, you know, I could do this for a living. So I

just kind of went and hit up all the

London post-houses and I just took my CV round to

them and made sure I got in the

door and got to actually see somebody and not just,

you know, send it in and I

ended up with The Mill as a runner and

made it very clear that Telecine was

what I was after and what I wanted to learn. I saw

the Pogle, did you ever go out of Pogle?

Yeah, that's what I started on. Yeah right, okay.

So I looked at that and that just looked like wow I

need to know how this works.

Even though there was nothing written on any of the

buttons pretty much. I've got

to know how to use this thing.

So after being a bit of a pain to

the guys, they said look go and get a

roll of film. We'll teach you how to use it so you

won't break it and that was it

for literally from like the get-go. I was doing

short films and music videos for,

you know, no money jobs and I was

kind of earmarked for Telecine. So as a

result of that, my training within the

post-production world, like in The Mill,

was machine room learning all about, you know,

basically building on what I already

knew. Yeah. But using, you know, D1 machines and I

just just about missed the

one-inch tape, didn't need that. But it was U-Matics,

Digi-Betas, you know, D1s and all

that kind of thing. So I had to

learn what timecode was used for and

how you, in Telecine, that the

importance of getting everything

right and making sure that you had the timecode was

correct and you punch up.

You know all of that stuff that we... There was

obviously something at, you

know, the fact that you glimpsed what was going on

with Telecine and that whole

world of color that just hooked you in because you

sounded so focused that that's what I wanted to do.

It was... The initial interest was that I really

liked the idea of working on film and

working on images and creating something from that,

you know, from, you know, just

being a part of the film business from that

respect. But once I actually got in

there and I started using the

equipment and learning what I could do

with it and the possibilities of it and how, you

know, what I did on that screen

was just made me feel something and so when it's

gonna make other people feel...

You know what I mean? That was the thing that I was

just like, "Wow, this is like magic."

This is, you know, I don't, you know, sort of

tinker around on the guitar a

little bit but this was like

something else. This is kind of like a dark art

that I was learning, you know,

these guys, they were sort of teaching me...

but not not teaching me.

I totally get that I remember

that feeling of just being excited.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You'd go to work, you'd

sit down, you didn't know what

you were going to do that day.

how you were going to do it but you just did it. So

fast forwarding two decades

or longer probably that you've been doing this.

I've got a nasty question

for you it's so broad. What do you think is the

most challenging thing for you as

a colorist? Oh my god. I think coming up with

interesting grades...Keep me up...

because I think you know that after lots of years

you get to you're comfortable

with people you know that's not the

thing and and you're you know you are

grading for them but you're also grading for

yourself and and it's to constantly

be pushing yourself and not resting on your

laurels. I'm thinking oh yeah I've

got this I can just do this all day long you know

stand on my head but and it is

and it's keeping that that driving that interest

going and obviously I mean we

you know we learn constantly because everything's

changing you know has been

for years and all the technology has changed and

the cameras have changed on

the other side on the production side of things but

I think staying interested

and and and just keeping that kind of spark alive

in you that you that after

spending you know decades sitting in a dark room

looking at images that you're

you're not fed up with it that you're still

interested and you're still

pushing yourself to do something

different to you know to try that and

then also selling that into your client. Do you

know do you have any inkling as

to how you do keep that spark alive or is it just a

conscious thing that you're

conscious of doing that? I almost try what is

straight away comes you know in

you go right okay let's let's do

something park it let's try something

else you know park that so it's a case of not just

going with your first instinct I think it's seeing

how you can turn it all on its

head and do something else with it.

I think that's the that's the thing

but it's also you know trying to find

something that works for the show or the commercial

or the film you know whatever

it is you're doing that's going to work with images

but giving it a little bit of

a twist that's more interesting than

just doing you know because you might

clients be happy with a decent balanced look won't

they a lot of the time yeah

you know DP certainly a lot of them that's what

they like they like their

their photography on the screen but

it's giving it a little bit of extra

something yeah but I think is the

thing and it's not just being happy

with everyone says oh that looks great and it's

like well yeah but let's try

something else and let's put it all to pieces again

and then let's try and push

it a little bit more but but not in a outlandish

way but somehow that that

takes it up a level compared to everything else

that you're seeing at the

moment this out there it doesn't look like it's

just had a LUT put on it and

yeah do you know like next kind of thing you know I

mean it's just it's you know

just just I think it's just pushing

yourself a little bit more in terms

asking a little bit more from your clients

somewhere we've kind of been

touching on this idea of being you

know making sure you don't get stuck and

doing you know and always growing yeah you work on

BaseLight yeah and there's

a new release of BaseLight that's

that's coming out at some point and

everyone's very excited about that yeah and how do

you you know there's some new

tool sets coming out yeah how do you

dip into those how do you break out of

habits of things that you're

comfortable with in your software and go

I'm gonna try this I think a little bit at time I

think is probably the short

answer to that is is you know

constructing a grade in the in the way so

I have used new software I'm one of the beats

testers for it and and it's got a

lot loads of new toys and I mean they

are they do work in perceptual color

space so you have to you have to run the system in

a certain way you know you

can't work in necessarily work in a traditional

like a log workflow because

it doesn't really like that it doesn't work that

way you have to try using a

color-managed workflow but I think it's a case of

using it in a way that just

just kind of you know tweak round the edges first

to make sure that you don't

dig yourself into something that you

that is gonna cause you problems later

on and gradually kind of introduce them into your

your your workflow if I think

you know when you're if I'm working on this on a

film I've got a lot of shots

to get through it not a lot of time so you kind of

don't want to be having to

like fiddle around with like 200 parameters you

know just to get your look

together so I think is a case of just you kind of

you you figure out what you

need.

think a lot of it is experimentation

when you're not actually working and

having to dig around and have to play

with these things and see what they do and then

just sort of store in that and

think when you if you come up against something

that you like a problem when

you're grading or something you

particular look you want to try and find

if they are actually what I can you know go through

the old Rolodex in your

head go yeah I can use that tool on that and and

and then start trying it out

and see what it does.

How do you ... short form versus

long form projects yeah how do you

approach those jobs differently well

approach those jobs differently well

that yeah that's a good question

because they are very the they are very

different in terms of client

expectation and also the you know the way you

approach it as a as a colorist I mean

you've got to I think mentally you've

almost got to be prepared to be sitting on a shot

for half an hour grading a

shot over and over lots of

different ways you know like really kind of

fiddling with the minutia of it or you've got

you know a thousand shots to

get through in a couple of days and

you've got to get your look nailed for

each scene and then go but there's also all the

workflow stuff that that goes

with that I mean the short form workflow is much

simpler than the long form

And your kind of

expectation from your client will kind of flex

accordingly in regards to

clients how would you say client

expectations have changed over the years

when I think back to when I started

grading and I was working on a much

simpler system you know the Pogle system had what it

had and that was it didn't

have any more it had its six windows if you were

lucky and its various primary

corrections that it had yeah you know

depending on which machine you're on

you had maybe it's an extra set of primaries I

think that when we had that

we did a lot more we pushed the grades a lot more I

think when I look back to

some of the work that we've doing I don't know

whether it's just because we

were working on we certainly had

prints to work on back then and we had a

obviously we were working on film yeah for the bulk

of the time and a lot of the

time 35mm there is an inherent quality to film

that you have to kind of really

twist digital around to get to it to get to that

point that's just kind of

there in the in the film even when

you're working on a scan on scan film

weirdly I find it's there's something but but I

think that there was more

expectation back then to come up with something

different when you sat down at

your desk and your clients come in and they sit

down and they wanted they

wanted to be kind of wowed a bit more I think

and I think it kind of--

gradually got watered down over the

years I think as clients got more I'm

talking about end clients not not

directors and producers and I think

gotcha yeah we're actually been worn down by the

end clients saying oh no we

don't like that that's too that's too much why

doesn't it look like the you

know we used to say the one lights

yeah why doesn't it look like the the the

edit which has just got a flat LUT on it kind of thing.

When I worked in the States it was all

quite everything was quite

bright and colorful a lot of the

time a bit more contrasty then

generally the European grade would have been so I'd

say you know you kind of do

what you think you like kind of thing and then I

can just turn it all up a bit

but I definitely think that the end

clients are the ones who are calling the

the shots and they want to be safe more so

than they ever did before I

think the agency did have a look more power yeah

it's interesting isn't it yeah

as per usual my my color timer's run out and I'm

supposed to stick to the rules

but I want to throw one last one at

you yeah and I don't normally do this

question but I because of your

experience I think it would be a valuable

one and again it's hard but as a young colorist

coming up is there any advice

you might throw at them right now God

yeah try and try and get in with with

trying to get into a place where there's going to

be somebody there who can

mentor you yeah like you know an old

fart like me or or someone else who

actually cares about bringing talent

through and and and recognizing that

talent as well yeah you know it's very hard to do

this in isolation you know

coloring is a it's a team sport should we say

and and I think you need to have

the the eyes of your peers on your work to to push

you really and and help you

on that journey yeah because a lot of

time you know your clients happy with

what you're doing great but you're gonna get more

from another colorist saying

why did you do it like that why don't you try this

why don't you try this next

time why don't you try that control

who understands you know how you got to

where you got but giving you that little extra

nudge to to kind of up your

game yeah that's that's I think getting in

somewhere with good colorists where

you like the reels look at and just do your

damnedest to get in there by

somehow that's that's just like just like you did

just like I did yeah yeah

there's a bit of luck involved but I think sure

distance helps and I know

there's there's a particular who was an old

assistant of mine he used to come

in as a freelance assistant and he's

hammered away it and it's just been

nominated for an award in I think the MVAs over

here so you can do it you just

got to be persistent at it I think yeah you don't

get disheartened because it's

not easy it isn't easy I'm not easy it's a it's a

quite a niche job and not

everybody can do it a lot of people

think they can do it but to do it well

you've got to have a very certain special set of

skills I think special be

in the opposite word because I think we're all a

bit special aren't we I'm not

commenting on that one Paul thank you so very much

and and I'm really delighted

that you were the the last guest for the season it

just seems kind of perfect

actually thank you mate.

Paul thank you so much

thanks for putting up with my bad

voice that's it that's the end of season one I

can't believe it that's 12

episodes yeah this is the first one

you've listened to go back and binge I

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it's a it's a heck of a resource like everything

color so please check them

out they can really really help you out whether

you're on resolve whether you're

on baselight whether you're on

nucoda it doesn't matter they're there to

kind of assist you and it's such such a great kind

of library of things to dip

into I would like to thank my friend of the show

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supporting me through this has been

awesome and my producer Caleb and thank

you thank you so much for listening and watching

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